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William
Mardi 28 août 2001 à 18h56 #1143 Modification de ce message Citer ce message
Il y a des jours comme aujourd'hui où je suis fatigué. Fatigué de l'internet et de ses forums. Fatigué de voir Nicolas gaspiller son talent ( et ses nuits) pour des gens qui ne lisent même pas ses messages. Fatigué
de devoir lire - et je le dis sans agressivité- des messages où la seule expertise évoquée est celle de se trouver derrière son ordinateur. Fatigué - et je le dis sans méchanceté- de lire des opinions qui ne sont étayées par aucune recherche personnelle. Fatigué de recevoir mon lot quotidien d'e-mails d'insultes envoyés par un membre de ce forum. Fatigué de Dallas, JFK et Lee Harvey Oswald.
Et puis, alors que fatigué, je suis pret à débrancher mon modem, je tombe sur ce message de Gary Aguilar.... et soudain je vais mieux !

NB : Je sais il est en anglais, je voulais le traduire, mais j'étais trop ... fatigué ;-)

The Justice Department and medical military authorities versus Jim Garrison
Gary Aguilar 8/27/01

In the aftermath of the JFK Review Board's work, one of the more interesting things to emerge is the outline of a remarkable collaboration in the late '60s to defend the Warren Commission: The Justice Department and medical authorities in the military, including JFK's pathologists, energetically sought to help Clay Shaw who was being charged by the state of Louisiana for conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy.

The key to the story is a recently unearthed memo dated March 11, 1969 by Pierre Finck, MD - the Army consultant who was called in on the night of the murder to help with JFK's autopsy. The Navy pathologists who were in charge - James Humes, MD and J. Thornton Boswell, MD - were general pathologists, trained in determining the cause of natural death, but not gunshot death. Finck was a credentialed forensic pathologist at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.1
In his memo, Finck recounted in meticulous detail that on February 16, 1969, he had received a telephone call from "E. F. Wegmann, a defense attorney for Clay Shaw," who, Finck wrote, "defends the conclusions of the Warren Commission and wanted me to come to New Orleans to testify."2

After advising his superiors of the request and, oddly, after notifying the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Carl Eardley, Finck's memo recounts that he then went to Eardley's office and reviewed numerous documents pertaining to JFK's autopsy. After that, Finck reports, "Eardley called me ... at home notifying me that he had a check and a D. C. Court Order for me to appear in the New Orleans court." Finck then flew to New Orleans and met with Shaw's defense counsels prior to testifying. Finck also remarked that the Assistant U. S. Attorney in New Orleans "called me at the hotel to offer his help."3

Ironically, Finck proved to be a disaster for the elaborate choreography between the Justice Department and Shaw's defense team. Justice then quickly undertook to refute Finck. It flew one of JFK's two Navy pathologists, J. Thornton Boswell, MD, down to New Orleans for damage control.

Both in Journal of the American Medical Association and under oath to the JFK Review Board (ARRB), Boswell explained the rest of the story. He said that the Justice Department was "really upset" when Pierre Finck testified that a general, and not the chief Navy pathologist, James Humes, MD, was in charge of JFK's autopsy. "So," Boswell testified, "(Justice) put me on a plane that day to New Orleans." "They (the Justice Department) ... talked to me and tried to get me to agree that (Finck) was very strange ... ."4 Then, Boswell explained, "They showed me the transcript of Pierre (Finck's) testimony for the past couple of days, and I spent all night reviewing that testimony."5 The Justice Department's purpose, Boswell told JAMA, was to prepare him "to refute Finck's testimony."6

Despite the feds obvious panic, Boswell was never called to the stand, and perhaps for a very good reason. Finck, after all, had been the very forensics expert chosen by the government to help the inexpert Boswell with JFK's autopsy. So why would a jury take Boswell's word over Finck's? Nevertheless it is worth asking, as ARRB counsel Gunn astutely put it to Boswell, "What was the United States Department of Justice doing in relationship to a case between the district attorney of New Orleans and a resident of New Orleans?"7 What, in other words, was a fed, Carl Eardley, doing organizing documents for Finck and Boswell to review, and also arranging Finck's (and presumably Boswell's) orders and finances? Was Shaw not being tried in a state court on state charges, not federal charges?

Justice's calling Boswell, of all people, as a backstop would be baffling were it not for the fact that Boswell had already demonstrated his helpfulness to Carl Eardley the year before. On January 26, 1968, Boswell had written the Justice Department to request an independent reexamination of JFK's autopsy evidence.8

Prior to that moment, the only physicians who had ever reviewed JFK's autopsy photographs and X-rays were the same military men who had done the original autopsy. By 1968 reasonable doubts about the performance of JFK's autopsy had been raised by authors Josiah Thompson, Edward J. Epstein, Mark Lane and others. Boswell's letter set the wheels in motion toward the only reasonable response: an independent review by men outside the military. In answer, Ramsey Clark, the Attorney General, convened a civilian panel, the so-called "Clark Panel." But new information reveals that Boswell's effectual letter has a hidden history: it wasn't his idea to write it.

Though his signature is affixed to the request, behind Boswell one can (again) make out the Justice Department's shadow. Under oath to the JFK Review Board, Boswell admitted, "I was asked by ... one of the attorneys for the Justice Department that I write them a letter and request a civilian group be appointed by the Justice Department, I believe, or the President or somebody. And I did write a letter to him, Carl Eardley."9

Noted Warren skeptic Harold Weisberg saw the signs of Boswell's having been nudged way back in 1969. "I am suggesting that Boswell's letter was both inspired and prepared by the federal government," Weisberg wrote. "Strangely for a man with an office and a profession," Weisberg reasoned, "[the letter] is typed and signed but on no letterhead, with no return address and, even more intriguing, on government-size paper, which is a half-inch smaller than standard."10 Boswell's help with the Clark Panel and the Shaw trial suggests that Boswell had become a Justice Department favorite. And there is new evidence to bolster that impression.

When Martin Luther King was shot on April 4, 1968, Boswell testified that he got yet another call from Carl Eardley. "J," Eardley pled, "we got a problem down in Memphis ... Would you go down there and supervise the autopsy?"11 Apparently the Justice Department was looking for qualifications besides proper training and experience when it asked the expert in natural death to lend a hand unraveling the unnatural death of the famed civil rights leader.

Citations:
1 John Lattimer, MD has suggested that Drs. Humes and Boswell requested, and were discouraged from, seeking local, non-military experts. Lattimer does not identify who discouraged them. In Kennedy and Lincoln, Lattimer writes, "Commanders Humes and Boswell inquired as to whether or not any of their consultants from the medical examiner's office in Washington or Baltimore should be summoned, but this action was discouraged." In: John Lattimer. Kennedy and Lincoln. New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1980, p. 155.
2 Memo by Pierre Finck to Director, Air Force Institute of Pathology, dated 3/11/69, regarding subject, "Shaw Trial, New Orleans."
3 Memo by Pierre Finck to Director, Air Force Institute of Pathology, dated 3/11/69, regarding subject, "Shaw Trial, New Orleans."
4 ARRB testimony J. Thornton Boswell, College Park Maryland, 2/26/96, p. 211.
5 ARRB testimony J. Thornton Boswell, College Park Maryland, 2/26/96, p. 209.
6 Dennis Breo. "JFK's death - the plain truth from the MDs who did the autopsy". JAMA, May 27, 1992, v. 267:2802.
7 ARRB testimony J. Thornton Boswell, College Park Maryland, 2/26/96, p, 210.
8 Dr. Boswell's 1/26/68 letter to Ramsey Clark is reproduced in Harold Weisberg's book, Post Mortem, p. 574.
9 Deposition of J. Thornton Boswell by ARRB, 2/26/96, p. 10. (Note, Boswell also told this same story in the May 27, 1992 issue of JAMA. Op. cit.)
10 Harold Weisberg. Post Mortem. Frederick, Maryland: 1975, p. 139. (First printing was in 1969. See p. 574 for a copy of Boswell's letter.)
11 ARRB testimony J. Thornton Boswell, College Park Maryland, 2/26/96, p. 213.

Teigne warreniste
Mercredi 29 août 2001 à 02h24 #1150 Modification de ce message Citer ce message
Le "général" dont parle Finck devait être le brigadier-général Godfrey McHugh qui était en contact téléphonique avec Bobby Kennedy et Kenneth O'Donnel durant l'autopsie, et qui ne se gênait pas pour dire à Humes que "Bobby trouvait ça long"...

Les pathologistes ont dû supporté aussi la présence de l'amiral George Burley, médecin officiel de Kennedy et qui a fait pression sur les pathologistes Humes, Boswell et Finck pour qu'on ne charcute pas plus que nécessaire le cadavre du défunt Président.

Nicolas Bernard
Mercredi 29 août 2001 à 02h28 #1151 Modification de ce message Citer ce message
Citation:
Le 2001-08-28 18:56, William a écrit:
Il y a des jours comme aujourd'hui où je suis fatigué. Fatigué de l'internet et de ses forums. Fatigué de voir Nicolas gaspiller son talent ( et ses nuits) pour des gens qui ne lisent même pas ses messages.


Dormir ? C'est quoi, dormir ?

Bon, perso, j'en ai effectivement rajouté, niveau diarrhée verbale. Qu'on se rassure : c'est fini... jusqu'à la prochaine fois. Il n'y a pas que JFK et a fortiori le web dans la vie, il y a aussi... euh...

Il ne s'agit pas là d'un départ définitif. Seulement d'un à la vie normale. :-) Et passer une à deux voire trois heures à taper un message, ça marche deux-trois jours, mais au delà, commence à devenir plus dur. Sans parler du site www.1939-45.org à développer.

Donc : bonne nuit les petits, bonne semaine, et bonne pioche parmi les URL fournis - et je me suis arrangé pour en fournir un max'. Je lirai tous vos messages avec intérêt, cela va sans dire.

Dernier mot, relativement à la révélation fournir par Aguilar : le comportement associé des médecins de l'autopsie et du Ministère de la Justice laisse rêveur. Si ces faits ne prouvent certes pas en eux-mêmes que JFK a été abattu par une conspiration, ils révèlent malgré tout les dysfonctionnements d'une démocratie engendrés par l'assassinat d'un de ses Présidents. 'Tain, j'suis inspiré, la nuit, moué...

William
Mercredi 29 août 2001 à 02h41 #1153 Modification de ce message Citer ce message
Petite précision, au sujet de mon coup de fatigue.
Je ne serais jamais fatigué de disctuer, échanger, débattre. Que vous soyez expert ou débutant, timide ou sur de vous. Je ne serais jamais fatigué de partager, offrir et rechercher. Sinon je n'aurais pas d'adresse internet pour lire votre courrier, et ne serais pas inscrit sur ce forum depuis quelques mois.

Ce qui me fatigue et me fatiguera toujours - et ils se reconnaitront- ce sont les porteurs d'eaux, les posteurs de substitution, les faux candides, les adorateurs de prophète, les sectes se terminant en ique, les enfonceurs de porte-ouverte ( fussent-elles en bois canadien), les manipulateurs de foule, les specialistes de l'écran de fumée, les praticiens de la désinformation, les amateurs de l'infiltration, les insulteurs anonymes, les méthodes fascistes, les Goebels de supermarché, les hommes de paille et plus généralement les faux-culs.
J'en oublie surement mais cette fois-ci, je crois que l'idée est passée.

Nicolas Bernard
Mercredi 29 août 2001 à 02h47 #1154 Modification de ce message Citer ce message
Et, avant de partir, sur l'autopsie :

- le rapport itself :

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- les conclusions du HSCA :

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- voir aussi :

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- les photos :

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- autres images :

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- doutes sur l'authenticité de certaines pièces :

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- page pro-Warren :

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Teigne warreniste
Mercredi 29 août 2001 à 04h09 #1155 Modification de ce message Citer ce message
Un document intéressant entourant l'exécution de l'autopsie de Kennedy est la section II du volume VII du rapport du HSCA... très intéressant!

Vol VII section II: Performance of the Autopsy

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